John Eastman: There’s been “aggressive weaponization” of the American justice system

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John Eastman: “Americans really need to understand this aggressive weaponization of our criminal justice system that the Democrats did to go after their political opponents… I hope Kash Patel, now the FBI director, is going to do is investigate the prosecutors, because in my view, what’s been going on here is a nationwide conspiracy to go after people for the exercise of their constitutional rights, right to speech, right to assembly, right to petition the government for redress of grievances. And that’s a federal felony, and I think Kash Patel can investigate it, and if he determines it’s warranted, wrap it up with a bow and hand it over to Pam Bondi to prosecute.”

At the 2025 Conservative Political Action Conference, Jan Jekielek interviewed Trump’s former lawyer John Eastman. Eastman is the subject of the new documentary film “The Eastman Dilemma: Lawfare or Justice.”

Eastman about the documentary: “The question is, you know, did I have a dilemma? And when you see the film, you say, No, Eastman never had a dilemma. The dilemma is to my colleagues in the legal profession: Are they going to sit idly by and watch this lawfare go on without speaking up against it, or are they going to join with me and fight for justice?”

Five years ago, John Eastman urged President Donald Trump to challenge the legality of the 2020 elections. Today, he faces multiple legal cases and his license to practice law has been suspended in California. In this episode, he shares his story.

“You know, people said: Oh, it’s just vengeance. No, it’s not vengeance. What went on here was unprecedented in American history, this distortion and overreach of federal criminal or state criminal statutes to go after the political opposition. The people that did that need to be held accountable for two things. One, if they violated people’s constitutional rights, they should be brought to justice. But two, a very strong net message needs to be sent so that nobody will ever entertain doing that again.

CHAPTER TITLES
0:00:05 – Introduction to John Eastman
0:00:23 – The Lawfare documentary: The Eastman Dilemma
0:01:28 – Legal Challenges and Psychological Projection
0:03:14 – Advice to Vice President Pence and Court System Failure
0:06:18 – Alternate Electors and Constitutional Authority
0:08:44 – Ongoing Legal Battles and Federal Investigation
0:09:30 – Spending Power and Impoundment Control Act
0:11:43 – Birthright Citizenship and Originalist Scholarship
0:13:29 – Background and Competence
0:16:25 – Future Legal Battles and Supreme Court Involvement
0:17:36 – Reputation and Originalist Briefs

John Eastman: “One of the greatest examples of psychological projection I’ve ever seen was when the Democrats said, if Trump wins, he’ll weaponize the Department of Justice. And I was sitting there saying, What? What have I been dealing with? The last four years. I was an unindicted co-conspirator in Jack Smith’s criminal indictment against President Trump. I’m indicted in Georgia and Arizona. They’ve suspended my bar license out in California or made it inactive while we’re appealing that decision.”

John Eastman about the 2020 election: “The thing was we got to bring challenges in the courts to talk about the illegality, because Article Two of the Constitution quite clearly gives the sole power to the state legislatures to choose the rules, to check the manner for choosing electors. And in each of those swing states, the election officials refused to follow the rules that made it a fraudulent or filed election, and I said, with a failed election, the legislatures need to weigh back in and try and ascertain what would have happened if the rules had been followed. And my advice to Vice President Pence, or my urging to friends, was to accept requests from those state legislators to let them decide what the impact of that illegality was.”

“And I think the American people deserve to have an answer and, win or lose, they would feel more comfortable with the result. But when you refuse to let people raise those questions, and just pretend that what the government has spoken is true, George Orwell wrote this in his famous book ‘1984’: The government has said two plus two is five, and you got to not only repeat the lie, but you got to come to believe it. Well, Americans are not too keen on being, you know, spoon fed lies, and have to repeat them. And unfortunately, we didn’t get a chance to actually vet those claims to see whether they were true or false. And there are way too many people, myself included, that think the government’s claims this was the most secure election in our history is just laughably false.”

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