Michael Shellenberger: How China Gained Control of Solar—And Why It Matters

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This is the full version of Jan Jekielek’s interview with Michael Shellenberger. The interview was originally released on Epoch TV on May 31, 2025.

“It’s now been revealed that the Chinese—who manufacture virtually all of our solar panels, both in the United States and Europe—have been installing cellular radios inside the inverters, which can act as kill switches,” says Michael Shellenberger, an investigative journalist, author, founder of Public, and CBR Chair of Politics, Censorship, and Free Speech at the University of Austin.

Shellenberger is the author of the books “San Fransicko” and “Apocalypse Never.”

In this wide-ranging interview, Michael Shellenberger dives into key vulnerabilities in America’s energy grid, how Trump is transforming America’s energy future, the current status of the “censorship industrial complex,” as Shellenberger describes it, and his continued fight for government transparency, including around unidentified aerial phenomena (UAPs).

Two years on from the publication of the Twitter Files—in which Shellenberger played a key role—where are things now?

CHAPTER TITLES
0:00-0:15 – Introduction: Energy, Censorship, and American Thought Leaders
0:15-3:35 – Nuclear Energy and Trump’s Energy Policies
3:35-6:59 – Advanced Nuclear Technologies and Regulatory Challenges
6:59-10:00 – National Energy Priorities and Energy Dominance
10:00-16:50 – Solar Panel Vulnerabilities and Chinese Manufacturing Risks
16:50-20:53 – China’s Dominance in Critical Technology Manufacturing
20:53-23:10 – Geopolitical Implications of Technology Dependence
23:10-26:04 – Open Societies, Free Speech, and Cultural Challenges
26:04-34:30 – The Return of Strong Gods: Nationalism and Cultural Identity
34:30-41:54 – Media Manipulation and the Censorship Industrial Complex
41:54-48:18 – Government Overreach and Propaganda Tactics
48:18-51:12 – Political Polarization and Media Complicity
51:12-58:36 – The Potential for Political Transformation
58:36-1:04:30 – Dismantling the Censorship Industrial Complex
1:04:30-1:10:04 – San Francisco’s Homelessness Recovery Initiatives
1:10:04-1:15:26 – Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena (UAP) and Government Transparency
1:15:26-1:15:52 – Closing Remarks and Appreciation for Independent Journalism

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